Lewisham braces for riots [Updated]

On Twitter, reports coming in that the recent riots that began in Tottenham have spread to areas including Enfield, Brixton and Hackney may reach Lewisham town centre this evening. It's been speculated for a while that Lewisham could be a target and now Cllr Mike Harris says:

"Threat from idiotic looters is causing stallholders on Lewisham Market to shut early."

UPDATE 17:00: Some reports on Twitter now suggesting that rioting has already begun, with one person saying that they're being kept inside McDonald's by police for their own protection.

UPDATE 17:15: The man who reported being locked inside McDondald's reports that it was a precautionary measure and that he has been allowed out, while one person was arrested.

UPDATE 17:19: Now Cllr Harris reports that the Town Hall is being closed early. Dogs and cats, living together!

UPDATE 17:23: Reports of groups of "school aged" kids running around. One window of McDonald's smashed. But also a very heavy police presence (and of course, Europe's largest police station next door).

UPDATE 17:32: Hannah, who tweeted earlier to say it was relatively calm, now says the air is full of sirens.

UPDATE 17:34: Gillian tweets this photo of a police line in Lewisham.

UPDATE 17:39: Sky News reports that police officers have come under attack.

UPDATE 17:43: Lewisham was obviously the last straw for Boris, who's finally decided it's worth interrupting his holiday to come and sort it out. Phew.

UPDATE 17:49: LeeLee has posted this photo of riot police running in Lewisham.

UPDATE 17:51: ITV journalist Charlene White says "This isn't on the same scale as Tott, or even Hackney for that matter For those who know Lewi, police station is by High St So got here quick."

UPDATE 17:59: Not for the first time on Brockley Central, the presence of kids in local cafes is contentious. Lots of comment on Twitter about how young many of the wannabe or actual rioters are. Charlene White again: "Amazing number of girls here. And they're loving it."

UPDATE 18:03: Ironically, Tesco now under attack in Lewisham according to several reports.

UPDATE 18:15: The unconfirmed list of shops hit by rioters includes: Primark, Tesco, McDonald's and a jewellers.

UPDATE 18:19: Sky News reporter says a lot of people running around (kids especially). Police say main rioting happened an hour ago. Police say they have "no idea" why this is spreading so fast and suspect this is a copycat act.

UPDATE 18:35: In another ironic twist, National Rail reports no delays to trains running via Lewisham.

UPDATE 18:43: A bus has been set on fire in Lewisham - pictures of burning vehicles in Lewisham (Albion Way) now being shown on BBC News.

UPDATE 18:50: Cllr Harris again, this time on BBC News talking about the cost to the Council which "can't afford" this. Scenes not seen in Lewisham "since the late 70s".

UPDATE 18:53: Interview continues, interviewer asks Cllr Harris "this isn't a time for political point scoring is it?" Obviously never interviewed a Lewisham cllr before. Helicopter shots of Lewisham High Street show a desolate scene scattered with debris.

UPDATE 18:55: Reports of shop closures in Catford.

UPDATE 19:04: Multiple reports that JD Sports (natch) in Catford has been smashed up.

UPDATE 19:05: Charlene White has just tweeted that missiles are being thrown at an ambulance in Lewisham. Classy.

UPDATE 19:55: Everyone wants in on the action. Channel 4 News confirms a building has been set alight in Deptford. One of our Twitter friends says it's the Greggs.

UPDATE 20:11: Shops and petrol stations closed in Brockley.

UPDATE 20:16: Damn you north London media know-nothings, according to London Fire, Channel 4 confused Deptford with Peckham, which is where the burning Greggs is located.

UPDATE 20:34: Rumour kicking around that the ELL is shut. It isn't. She's running as straight and true as ever, from Dalston to Croydon. Hang on... no not Croydon, since there is some rioting there. Terminating in Norwood.

UPDATE 20:52: @josephstash has mapped photos of the riots in Lewisham to the locations where they took place here. A couple of BC readers have reported a couple of scary moments in the area - shouting and scuffling on Brockley Road and two people threatening someone at their doorstep, but these seem to be isolated moments of high tension, rather than anything more large scale.

UPDATE 20:57: A low down dirty shame - Lee High Road's Dirty South got smashed up. Photo here.

UPDATE 20:59: Serious problems in Croydon. BBC News showing a huge fire to a building. Bus on fire too. Croydon Guardian reporter describing multiple incidents and minimal police. presence.

UPDATE 21:02: Multiple reports that New Cross rioting is taking place - Curry's being looted.

UPDATE 21:41: Photographer caught looters in action in New Cross... using an ACE van. Shocking parking.

UPDATE 21:47: East Dulwich hit - The Palmerston has tweeted a photo of its smashed window.

UPDATE 21:51: Lots of tweets claiming the Venue in New Cross is on fire. These rumours are false.

UPDATE 22:03: Video of Catford looting here (via Max)

UPDATE 22:11: An unprecedented outpouring of grief on Twitter at the rumours that the Catford Cat has been destroyed. Can't confirm yet, but we're willing to lay money that it has NOT been destroyed. Pretty sure this is another Venue-style rumour.

UPDATE 22:17: Greggs may have escaped, but there is looting in Deptford. A pawn shop is reported to have been hit and the High Street is reported to be being damaged.

UPDATE 22:25: Deptford looting appears to be getting worse. Among the targets is Ladbrokes and another pawn shop.

UPDATE 22:32: BBC News just described Lewisham as being "relatively close to central London." Every cloud.

UPDATE 22:36: Police MIA in Deptford by all accounts. Photo of one of the looted pawn brokers here.

UPDATE 22:39: Blimey, Lewisham MP Heidi Alexander interrupts the first day of her holiday to be interviewed on the BBC from New York about the damage done to Lewisham. Her office was smashed in to.

UPDATE 22:49: Keir reports that a police van has turned up in Deptford, only to have its windows smashed.

UPDATE 22:58: ITV News getting unconfirmed reports that a man has been shot in the head and killed in Croydon. UPDATE Now ITV pouring cold water on this story.

UPDATE 23:01: BBC reporting from downtown Woolwich (which can feel absolutely ghostly at nights) that there is widespread looting, with phone shops the main target.

UPDATE 23:03: Hope has four legs and a perky tail - as we thought, the Catford Cat lives!

UPDATE 23:09: Time Out has just told its followers to check this site for live updates. The pressure is on. It would be good if everyone could stop rioting so we can go to bed.

UPDATE 23:16: We've heard a few sirens going off outside our windows, as have other Brockley residents on Twitter, but it appears that in all cases, it is the police going elsewhere.

UPDATE 23:24: By the by, a friend in Lavendar Hill just sent us this photo of loot dumped in her garden. On a related note, one BCer reports seeing loot being divvied up out the back of a car in Brockley.
UPDATE 23:32: At least one car has been set alight in Deptford. Here's the photo.

UPDATE 23:42: BBC reporting that the Old Kent Road is being looted - including the large Tesco. Kids on bikes... Unconfirmed reports of fires in shops in Bromley, including Primark.

UPDATE 00:02: Report from one Brockley resident that he saw approximately 6 people attempting to break in to Brockley Cross Business Centre about an hour ago, which as he notes, is small beer by tonight's standards, "but still."

UPDATE 00:10: Woolwich looking in a really bad way. Whetherspoons burning, cars on fire, reports of shops / flats on fire.

UPDATE 00:15: Another burning car in Deptford - this one outside the Albany theatre (great venue for kids, folks!)

UPDATE 00:21: Woolwich now seems like the most serious flashpoint in SE London. A police car has been set on fire and The Great Harry pub has been set on fire according to Nigel Fletcher, Deputy Leader of the opposition at Greenwich Council.

UPDATE 00:30: A video of riots in action in Woolwich.

UPDATE 00:59: Our friend in Clapham Junction wanted to share this view from her window with you all - a fire in a shop. Almost Christmassy.
UPDATE 01:05 Right, that's it. Off to sleep. Just like the looters, we have work tomorrow. Thanks to everyone for their information and contributions throughout the evening. Plenty of time for analysis in due course over the next couple of days...

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fabhat said...

Peckham B&Q and Curry's have been attacked about at hour ago...

Bill Ellson said...

Look back through Cllr Harris's tweets and you will see that he has spent the afternoon talking up the possibility of riots in Lewisham. I have made a formal complaint to the council regarding his earlier tweets.

Anonymous said...

I can't see any indication on Twitter that 'rioting has already begun' in Lewisham, what's the source for this?

currentbuns said...

There's no point in looting Curry's in Peckham as it's closing at the end of next week.

THNIck said...

Fabhat - presumably D&B and Comet (on the Old Kent Road)? Transpontine reports (w picture) that Currys on OKR shut early and boarded up.

Anonymous said...

I thought Theresa May coming home would bring back the peace.

Anonymous said...

I assume that some people have to complain because with the free house, the free school and free salary they feel they should have free clothes, free tv and washing machines so they can save up for betting on dogs.

LB said...

Riot police and dogs in Lewisham high street. Saw about 20 people outside my house searching bins for missiles and taking bricks and signs etc.

Anonymous said...

currentbuns, do you know what the building will be used for?

Lou Baker said...

Let the dogs on these pathetic little chavs.

Anonymous said...

Not for the first time has Cllr Harris opened his gob and put his foot in it...

Anonymous said...

looking out my window and the fight has been taken to the streets behind the market which looked completely trashed and shopping centre which is closed. Lots of very young kids and girls.

more names said...

Cllr Harris has issues he needs to address, the most obvious being that he's not terribly bright, perhaps thats not a bad thing for steve bullock though, makes him look like einstein...

Anonymous said...

disgusting scenes in Lewisham highstreet. scum of thee earth!

Anonymous said...

If it brings the Lewisham gangs together then it can't all be bad?

Anonymous said...

On the other hand, if they trashed Lewisham shopping centre it would finally receive a long overdue makeover.

Ken said...

Just got back from Fitness first in Lewisham, saw loads of kids in hoodies and funnily enough on rollerskates, strong police presence and the market stall holders were all closing early. There was a lot of tension around, you could feel it. As I walked home along Lewisham way I counted 19 police vehicles speeding towards Lewisham sirens blaring. Also saw alot of kids no older than 18 heading the same way with a party atmosphere, beers in hand.

Brockley Nick said...

Cllr Harris has not been stoking anything up. A few hours ago, he started tweeting to say there were suggestions rioting may take place in Lewisham and urging people not to.

Pretty prescient, unless you think he unwittingly triggered the riots.

Seems unlikely many of his Twitter followers did it to spite him.

Anonymous said...

These mobsters will create the ghetto they deserve.

Shops and businesses will give up trading there, the gangs will have control of the streets and lawlessness will prevail.

Enjoy.

Anonymous said...

Yeah right..

Anonymous said...

Any requests?

Im considering a quick trip down to Lewisham. I saw a lovely summer dress in Mark's and Spencer over the weekend...

Matt-Z said...

Lewisham currently on BBC news. Helicopter camera appears to show two burning cars in carpark behind high street. High street itself a mess with heavy police presence. Debris from market stalls and what looks like smashed windows littering street.

In other news the Turkish restaurant in Catford I ordered supper from has just rung back to say they can't deliver it as the police have told them to close. Looks like I picked the wrong day to come back from holiday.

Ken said...

Lewisham High street is a complete no go area - AVOID AT ALL COSTS - cars are on fire and the place looks like a zombie apocalypse. Channel your smart arsed comments accordingly.

Anonymous said...

it's really ridiculous, they have no cause, No life people fight for causes and justice these are just low life scum messing up people's jobs life's and local area for free weave and a laptop.

Wheres the Army get them down shoot the little thugs down

Anonymous said...

So you are happy for the racist word "chav" to appear - twice.

But when I say it's "blacks" who are rioting, not "chavs", that's a problem and you censor it?

laukf said...

Just driven through Catford and see a JD Sports being targeted. No police (overstretched?).

Anonymous said...

Why torch innocent people cars? And busses destroying local people's life's threw mindless violence.

I saw a krispy Kreme being burnt down wtf! Why what's the point.
Hope they find you thugs it's so embarrassing

Anonymous said...

Your point being?

Its brits who are rioting..

BrockleyFox said...

Just watching BBC News. Lewisham looks like a shit hole. So, no change there! But never seen it so desolated before. Also just heard that New Cross is having trouble too.

There has been trouble brewing for years, bubbling up beneath the surface. Like steam in a pressure cooker. This could get much worse before it gets better. One of the problems with these thugs / cretins, is that they all think there "gansta's" living in the bronx, or Grand theft auto.

Anyone want to club together and start a small "brockley" commune out in the countryside?;)

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Brockley Nick said...

That'll do, thank you.

Anonymous said...

Will you be taking any members of "The Community" to your commune in the country?

Monkeyboy said...

About as useful as blaming "whites" for football violence. Nasty thugs is the common thread not skin colour.

hamble said...

Live images from Lewisham on BBC News 24, via a helicopter. Lewisham looks quiet. The streets are empty.

Doesnt quite tally with what is being said on Twitter.

Londonlady said...

Lewisham is the 8th hardest place in the UK to get a job. What do they kids have to do to get noticed......?? riot

max said...

You just missed on a golden opportunity to shut up.

max said...

Londonlady, maybe you're one of the Londonparents that really are the scum in this situation. These are kids, if they're so full of shit at this age it's because of their parents.
In fact there are plenty of kids (of every colour and social status) thyat are not looting right now.

hamble said...

JD sports in Catford is being looted right now.

max said...

Obviously by youngsters crying out for employment.

T1 said...

This is surely a case where it's about economics not politics. These kids have worked out if there's enough of them in one place then they can get free stuff.

allinaday said...

Sorry Guys my friend has to rescue her terrified child from his friends house - I think you do not need the police - the Army should be called in 'Looting' around London is a breakdown of social order ......

There is NO excuse for it in any country Black or White !!!!

fromthemurkydepths said...

watching on BBC. Get tear gas from N Ireland. The police and govt are incompetent. And the sad thing is none of this surprises me. The numbers of moronic people, and the ineptness of the police.

Anonymous said...

it's the french revolution all over again?

max said...

More lord of the flies.

Anonymous said...

The burning building is in Peckham, not Deptford. Would have seen the smoke out my window otherwise.

Anonymous said...

theres helicopters over lewisham now, sirens going past me (i live 3 miles away - near catford) every 2 or 3 minutes.

BrockleyFox said...

Walked down Brockley high street around 7 ish, to find all the shops closed, with their shutters down. The "brockleys' Rock" is closed, everything is closed... except for the "bamboo garden" Chinese, the off license next door.

I see via BBC News, that deptford is experiencing problems, as is Lewisham.. although the beeb are only showing Hackney for now.

Any other updates?

BrockleyFox said...

@ Annon.... Absolutly! Lets get together some local BC residents, and move out to a happy (not hippy) commune in the countryside! Fresh air, less crime, and all the arty stuff you could ever want! ;)

Anonymous said...

Drove down Old Kent Road - most shops shuttered. Saw a group of about 15 young guys with hoods up, faces covered. New Cross Sainsburys is open, but shutters down, most other shops on high street shut or shutters down.

Anonymous said...

Protesters in Brockley have been seen walking away with several artisan buns.

Tressilliana said...

Not much in the way of a bus service at the moment, hardly surprisingly. I got the train home as the 484 seems to be up the creek. Thick smoke in Peckham, train did't stop at Peckham Rye. There's a suggestion that there's also trouble in Camberwell.

Anonymous said...

Could you lot help me to find out what's happening in Deptford? As far as I know there isn't a blog as good as this one for Deptford

I found this very helpful by the way thanks

Anonymous said...

This violence is senseless, it's a sign of the times. And on another note let's not bring hatred onto here, the racial comments are completely unnecessary. There's another going on here without adding to it.

I wrote a poem in response when news first broke of the unrest in Lewisham. My way of taking a stance

http://respectandacceptance.wordpress.com/2011/08/08/loot/

Anonymous said...

West Croydon now...

pip said...

Shops in Brockley are closed? Really??

Anonymous said...

This blog is brilliant, very helpful.

Does anyone know the current situation for lewisham?

thanks

Anonymous said...

It is a sad day, when you have to leave and head home early for fear of mindless childern and their mindless parents.

Now I know what the pensioners feel like travelling around Lewisham on the busses.

Its wanton Vandalism, nothing more.

I think everyone has the right to demonstrate, but not in a way that leaves others in fear of violence or loss of their property.

Not so eazy said...

These 'mobsters' and 'scum' have faced social exclusion all their lives - and nothing you can throw at them here will help put out the flames.

It comes as no suprise that this site reveals its failure to connect with anything more than a white readership.

A study which this site undertook on Networked Neighbourhoods revealed that it is if anything an ethnically cleansed forum.

Data from “Experian Hitwise” suggests that affluent people, with
high educational attainment, are over-represented in the
population that uses these websites.

Part of the report reads: "This appears to be confirmed in the socio-demographic profile of our survey respondents."

Pendants please take a bow.

Worringly a map revealed how these groups were distributed in each
neighbourhood - more significantly Brockley - and indicates the roads in which they (YOU) live. (Yes, Nick knows where you live...?)

But do not worry...

"With high incomes, good health and ready access to information,
few people in this group experience serious social problems." (Surely they must have got that one wrong - or did they?)

That is why you see "scum" and other pause to reflect and see additional underlying issues that these socially excluded people face daily.

Worringly, the survey respondents demographic summary - of which a few here are included - record Brockeley Central's importance to Lewisham Council:

92% at degree level or higher
71% white British, (90/126)
92% ‘white British/white Irish/white other’ (116/126)

Significantly, or more poignantly, no other ethnic groups were represented...?

What is all that about?

I leave it to a Lewisham council officer, eager to promote this site as the voice of Brockley/Lewisham, to lob the Molotov. One that will not make the news tonight:

“Brockley Central has made our life so much easier. I wish we had one in every area.”

Come again.

Anonymous said...

The Broca has been looted lots of people wearing sandals running away with armfuls of mung beans.

Anonymous said...

People are playing cricket on Hillyfields, keep calm.

eggman said...

these "children" who are going around looting and burning their areas are the same children that stab and fight any one who "disrespects their ENDZ" just shows the stupidity

Luke said...

There's a mob at the war memorial with placards singing WE SHALL OVERCOME.

It was disgusting what was written on them: "Gentrification!"

And not a police officer in sight!

hamble said...

Not so eazy-
Dont be ridiculous.

The kids who smashed and grabbed at JD sports in Catford arent socially excluded, their looking for freeness.

In other words, they are having the time of their lives stealing.

Its being co-ordinated by blackberry. How disenfranchised do they sound to you?

Monkeyboy said...

Not so eazy, you seem to be suggesting that this blog is of no relevance or interest to those rioting. I agree, so can't really be said to have any influence one way or another.

Old Kent Road Bazzer said...

Old Kent Road B&Q boarded-up and closed early by 7.30pm. Asda and the other retail stores closed. The carparks over there are deserted.
Definitely heard all the police sirens going by the Old Kent Rd from 5.00ish for about an hour.
I do hope Lewisham and New Cross are OK. A friend from Lewisham9 has just phoned, and it's quiet where he is.

Monkeyboy said...

Given the breakdown of law and order and hair loss, I'm thinking of taking up religion. What's the best for getting drunk, meat eating and with the least chance of being asked to sacrifice yourself in a brave but ultimately futile act of sacrifice? Scientology?

ELsa said...

If you want to make a political statement then why do you need to steal trainers and mobile phones?

The reason is because these kids aren't interested in politics at all, but just getting something for nothing. The youth of today are generally lazy and spoilt, they want instant kicks without effort, they want celebrity, they want money and all without hard graft.

Parents are to blame too, parents who don't know how to say no. Fathers who have no spine, and leave their kids to be brought up by a single parent. Parents need to wise up! If you're a parent and you have teenagers or even younger, then where are they now? If you don't know then get off your arse and find out!

Not so eazy said...

“Brockley Central has made our life so much easier. I wish we had one in every area.” Council Officer

Lewisham Council has convinced itself that this site is actually the ethnically cleansed) 'voice' - so do leave off, Monkey.

Anonymous said...

Could you lot help me to find out what's happening in Deptford? As far as I know there isn't a blog as good as this one for Deptford

Brockley Nick said...

@Not so Eazy

"Worringly a map revealed how these groups were distributed in each
neighbourhood - more significantly Brockley - and indicates the roads in which they (YOU) live. (Yes, Nick knows where you live...?)"

Just one of the many things you have misrepresented about the study - very specifically, I have no idea where any of you live or who any of you area. The map you refer to is just a map of Brockley, based on data that Experian has about every address in the country. It doesn't belong to me, it belongs to them, and it doesn't refer to the readership, but to the population of Brockley in general.

Also, this site has had 16,000 visits today. Quite a big sample of local people with an interest in what's going on in their area.

Brockley Nick said...

@Anon - looks like Deptford is OK.

Brockley Nick said...

Currently, at least.

VicLog said...

Pawnbrokers on Manor Lane, Lee just had the window broken in by a group of 15 young men who looked like they couldn't quite believe they had done it, grabbed a few things and left.

BrockleyFox said...

This rioting Is dreadfull, but this was quite funny!

http://twitpic.com/6333td

And as for the person moaning about the UK being mostly white..... thats almost as shocking as Africa being mostly black, or China being mostly asian. Shock, f**king horror! ;)

Anonymous said...

hi, not a regular, not white, and not actually living in brockely (i'm on the 'wrong' side of hillyfields...)but this has been the best site for knowing whats going on in the area (short of going out and having a look for myself...)

sky news just swept lewi high st - deserted by the looks of it. i guess rioting in the vicinity of that monstrosity of a police station is not that much of a goer...

Anonymous said...

How is lewisham?

Brockley Dogging Society said...

The BDS is heading out with a series of oversized truncheons...

...wish us luck, comrades.

Elsa said...

Can I also add that having lived in India for a while and seen people in the most abject poverty, living in one room, none of this is about youth lacking anything! Besides, these kids have Blackberries and £100 trainers, they aren't deprived!

Have the police been abusing young black youth? Why do they stop black kids more? Is there a reason for this? I just don't know, there are elements of racism still about, people are unaware of their own prejudices BUT this isn't an angry youth rising up. What we have here are bored hoodies with too much time on their hands out to get some free kit.

Anonymous said...

Err hasn't twitter confirmed it's a social network for the ill informed?

quick brown fox said...

@Not so eazy

I'm confused. Is your gripe with the blog itself, or exclusively with the council for giving undue weight to it?

It's indisputable that BC is a useful source of local information. It doesn't have any obligation to "connect with" every part of the community. No blog in the world does that, does it?

kolp said...

"Just because rioters do not have political aims does not mean the causes of he riots do not lie in politics"

I dont' think these are race riots (though there is an apparent predominance of one race, this is just more like a rage riot. A rage against the system, the machine.

This is a very sorry state of affairs.

Matt-Z said...

Multiple fires in Croydon now. Surely Cameron must return from Tuscany to show some leadership.

Not so eazy said...

So why did the data supplied to you by that groups not include a section for 'blacks'?

Why did you not say anything about this exclusion, if one of the 16,000 who visits your site ('daily') may have been black? Hardly representative.

Or do you only react to blacks rioting? Is that all that floats your gentrified boat?

Also, I do not accept the point you have given on the Experian data, as the map clearly showed the usage at street level. (I'm getting Andrew Gilligan to look at it. It's called Audience Segmentation.)

It also revealed that these sites become the stooge either sent by big business to enable its business model by representing 'the people', or grows towards that model by fluke.

Clearly BC if not a council mouthpiece is now its ear.

Anonymous said...

New cross has been hit

Anonymous said...

I cant believe this. Just saw some group of eleven year old wive scarfs around their mouths. :/ Its worrying that loads of children/teenages are using this as an advantage of their own personal needs.

social media pawn said...

Nick, um....just a quick question. Do you have a white Persian cat on your knee at the moment?

Anonymous said...

what's happening in New X?

Brockley Nick said...

@NSE

So why did the data supplied to you by that groups not include a section for 'blacks'?

I don't know what you mean. No one supplied me with data and the data you're talking about does not consider ethnicity, I believe.

"Why did you not say anything about this exclusion, if one of the 16,000 who visits your site ('daily') may have been black?
Hardly representative."

You're starting from a false premise - there's no exclusion. So this whole para is complete nonsense.

"Or do you only react to blacks rioting? Is that all that floats your gentrified boat?"

If you don't think these riots are an important story, then you are the only one in London.

"Also, I do not accept the point you have given on the Experian data, as the map clearly showed the usage at street level."

No, it doesn't map readership to homes - I have no way of knowing that.

"(I'm getting Andrew Gilligan to look at it. It's called Audience Segmentation.)"

Be my guest.

"It also revealed that these sites become the stooge either sent by big business to enable its business model by representing 'the people', or grows towards that model by fluke."

Please quote me the part of the report that said anything of the sort.

"Clearly BC if not a council mouthpiece is now its ear."

Yes, it's a good way for the Council to gauge local opinion about things - though clearly not enough in isolation, which I think is one of the conclusions of the report and one I heartily endorse.

Anonymous said...

I see several (presumably media) helicopters over New Cross.

hotstepper said...

This government has declared war on us and in particular on young people and their futures - they are now getting everything they deserve and Labour councillors who go along with this by slashing services and condemning young people for standing up for themselves should be ashamed - we need to give this political focus and get rid of this government NOW!

Elsa said...

The youth of the Middle East rose up for democracy. The youth of London rise up for Nike trainers, flat screen TVs and mobile phones.

See pathetic and spoilt!

qbf said...

The fires in Croydon look horrendous. I hope no-one is going to lose their life tonight through this idiocy.

Tressilliana said...

Spot on, Elsa.

Anonymous said...

@hotstepper - you honestly believe this rioting is a good move?

You do realise there will be even more austerity now that we have millions (maybe ultimately billions) to find for the clear-up?

Anonymous said...

Andrew gillingam http://tgr.ph/q84Veg writting in that very establishment, right of centre tome The Telegraph. A fairly standard reaction.

To be honest , Andrew gillingham is busy investigating dirty tricks in the horsey world - that and stiching up government scientists.

Concerned said...

It comes as no suprise that this site reveals its failure to connect with anything more than a white readership.

Indeed, was discussing at the Barge this the other night. The attitudes and comments on here a causing a rift in the community. The undertones and lack of respect and understanding of social problems and living in a working class area really peeing locals off.

If you have problems, don't move into a working-class area and expect it to fit into your lifestyle. We all have to live side by side, even though a minority on here don't like this - build links with the community instead of hiding behind keyboards and niche groups... Please wake up.

I await deletion...

Welcome to 2011 said...

@Concerned who and what are you referring to?

JJ said...

This is a good attempt by Nina Power to put the riots in context: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/29/young-people-gangs-youth-clubs-close

kolp said...

Maybe its time for us adults to get out of our homes and onto the streets to speak to the kids.

Lou Baker said...

@concerned

You sound like an idiot.

Colour has nothing to do with it. It's all about whether or not you're a decent person.

You can be rich and abhorrent or poor and decent. And vice versa.

Social problems are no excuse for this sort of lawlessness.

Just because you're poor and fed up that doesn't give you right to burn down someone's property putting lives at risk.

These chavs must be stopped. Let's shoot them.

JJ said...

Sorry, I actually linked the wrong article there, this is the one: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/08/context-london-riots

Other one also worth a read though

Anonymous said...

@hotstepper

so when you say the govt. do you mean police, the people that lost their livelihoods and their homes deserve it. Let's hope these youths don't find you in a dark alley and give you a good kicking, or drag you out of your car and torch, or perhaps your home when you're asleep dreaming of anarchy and brave new world - u donut.

I am so tire and bored of everyone blaming the govt. police and others. There are lots of poor disadvantaged who get on with life and make something of their lives without resorting to mindless violence.

Anonymous said...

Whilst i agree with some of what's being said about the 'them' and 'us' tone that occasionally comes across in the comments I think that a. the initial posts are usually pretty neutral and simply report a fact that has happened and b. this is not the correct thread to be talking about it, my city is burning around my ears, I want to know information not your half baked opinions about Nick knowing where I live.

Anonymous said...

@ Lou Baker: You cannot be serious. These are riots by marginalised people who are mostly non-white, who have now future and who are out and about on the streets..how about giving them some future instead of "shooting" them?

come off it said...

@Concerned

(A) It's not a working class area, it's a mixed area of various classes, nationalities and ethnic groups. Go back far enough, and it was quite a wealthy area. It's continually evolving and maybe you have a little catching up to do with your definition of "locals"?
(B) Yes, there are a few Daily Mail types on here who make offensive comments, but there are plenty who disagree with them very vocally.
(C) What do you suggest? I'm sure if you come up with a topic you want to discuss, Nick would be happy to create a new thread for it. And by the way, making silly comments like "I await deletion" just makes it sound like you've got a chip on your shoulder and don't help your argument.

Tressilliana said...

How long do you have to live in area to be a local? I've been in SE4 since 1986. My children were born in Lewisham Hospital and have gone to school here. My husband's parents grew up here and we have family in the cemetery. Is that local enough?

This has never been a working class area through and through. It was built for the middle classes back in the Victorian era and there have always been middle class people here, of all ethnicities.

What is going on in London and Birmingham today is not political, it's not racial, it's criminality. It isn't the rich who are going to suffer as a consequence. Some small retail businesses could go bust from this. Even bigger ones are going to take a big hit and you can bet your bottom dollar it won't be the directors who lose their jobs as a result. Ordinary people whose cars have been torched. People struggling to get home because their station is closed or their bus route isn't running. Bus drivers, firefighters and paramedics finding themselves under attack while trying to do their jobs. How can you say that this is anything other than thuggery?

We live in a democracy. If you don't like what's happening get out and campaign peacefully for change.

kolp said...

Unverified reports that the Venue is on fire, is anyone nearby to dispute this? Notice this kid running away with goods from Curry's note the ACE van. http://twitpic.com/633r7e

Not so eazy said...

So now you are saying that you did not supply data to a survey that was funded by London councils? And that survey excluded the blacks and the other ethnic groups of Lewisham?

Also, I did not say 'homes' but 'streets' - and you know them. Very easy to then extrapolate the house numbers of those persons - but you know that.

"Networked Neighbourhoods have been carrying out a groundbreaking study of the impact of London neighbourhood websites and the implications for local authorities in mobilising the Big Society. The lessons from this study will be published as a guide for councils and councillors on 30 November. South London in general, and Lewisham in particular, are recognised as pioneering areas for local e-government, with a rich variety of neighbourhood websites. You will hear that, though the path to putting these resources in place has been rocky at times, they are now bringing real benefits to the neighbourhoods that have taken part."

So here we see pioneering local government, drunk on collecting the wrong intelligence - and from the wrong source, you - not connecting with the people who now burn the gates of Rome while Nero fiddles on his bloody blog. Military Intelligence in NI had an expression for it: Cabbage in cabbage out.

Anonymous said...

Just saw a mob on Lucas Street off Lewisham Way..they looked ready to do damage

Anonymous said...

@ conerned you are a numpty.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with Lou Baker well up to a point. let's not shoot them, let's round em up and fly em out to Helmand, if they like to fight and cause mayhem let's see how they cope fighting the Taliban

Lou Baker said...

@anon 2142

This is nothing to with marginalised people. It's to do with criminals - and when the dust settles you'll find most of these thugs are not marginalised at all.

As we saw with the student and pension protests when lots of the worst trouble makers were insufferable (and rich) toffs.

David icke said...

Not so eazy, think you mean "garbage in garbage out" cabbage in cabbage out would be silly.

max said...

Video of young morons looting JD Sports in Catford:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7SeyjzneAM&feature=share

Brockley Nick said...

"So now you are saying that you did not supply data to a survey that was funded by London councils?"

I supplied them with data about this site's traffic levels. How many readers, what browser they used, etc, etc. Nothing about where anyone lives and nothing that could identify anyone - I simply don't have that data - it's impossible.

"And that survey excluded the blacks and the other ethnic groups of Lewisham?"

The survey was a simple survey open to all. The people who voluntarily responded were predominantly (but not exclusively) white - a fact I reported and which you have misunderstood.

"Also, I did not say 'homes' but 'streets' - and you know them. Very easy to then extrapolate the house numbers of those persons - but you know that."

I don't know what you're talking about. As I've said, what I think you're talking about is impossible.

"So here we see pioneering local government, drunk on collecting the wrong intelligence - and from the wrong source, you - not connecting with the people who now burn the gates of Rome while Nero fiddles on his bloody blog. Military Intelligence in NI had an expression for it: Cabbage in cabbage out."

Gobbledegook.

Anonymous said...

@ anon8 August 2011 21:50

Have you reported this to the police? Or was brockleycentral your first port of call

Anonymous said...

This is what happens when the Conservative government cuts the funding for youth clubs and summer schemes in deprived areas where kids have nothing else to do but make trouble.

Not so eazy said...

LouBaker I know where you are coming from but I believe that this is also to do with social exclusion.

Obviously there will be some twats amongst the mobs and those who make up the mob will include the socially excluded and other nobs too. WHATEVER I SAY DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE MADNESS WE NOW SEE. It does though reveal a few of the symptoms that were present in the past. This site is but one of the symptoms.

This is clearly stated in the report that Nick was a party to:
“In our interviews with site founders (Nick) we learned that each had set their site up with a broad sense of social purpose but no explicit intention to promote community cohesion or social inclusion."

Can you believe the gall of these 'founders'! They must be held acountable. They stand accused of social exclusion.
And if they cannot promote community cohesion they should pull the plug. Or at least stop tugging at the ears of council officers and its members, the whores of Babylon the lot of them.

I am now going out now amongst my people to try and speak some sense into them. You social media lot do what you do best - for each other.

Anonymous said...

@ anon 8 August 2011 22:02

This is what happens when parents don;t take responsibility for bring their children up to be decent law-abiding ambitious people who take pride in themselves, and their community. I grew up with little money in the house, in a deprived n'hood, no youth clubs or duke of Edinburgh award schemes to go. But I worked hard and got myself a job and made something of myself. You can do it if you want, in spite of your upbringing and useless parents.

Anonymous said...

I think the Crofton Park Budgen's has just closed and reckon the chip shop could do soon.

Anonymous said...

*...going out among my people...". Idiot

Anonymous said...

At least they wont be able to blame this on binge drinking.

Anonymous said...

Its all the fault of Lewisham Council for being Tory lapdogs and closing down all the libraries. It works like this: no access to books = an already lower IQ than the pitiful level that the majority of the citizens of our beloved borough of Lewisham already have = outbreaks of senseless intelligence level violence. And our Council friends only closed the libraries down a few weeks ago, in a matter of weeks it will be like Day of the Dead and our brains will be at risk....

Anonymous said...

I mean I am sick and tired about these protests about Goverment cuts! I mean really! If you spend spend and spend and charge your credit card to the maximum what happens!? You do not have any more cash and have to pay a lots of interest. Furthermore you might have to borrow even more to pay that interest. But nobody will lend to you anything cheap as you are high credit risk! That is what has happened with the county and there is no other way out than cuts! Thake this from the professional who understands these things. As for these kids it is their families that let them down. Why we are all expecting the government to be their nanny?

Anonymous said...

Hey - I meant to say senseless, low-intelligence inspired violence but the closure of the libraries meant that my own IQ had already suffered to type correctly....

gibby said...

NSE

I think you might have lost the plot...

Adele said...

Can anyone confirm Catford cat?

Bea said...

Yikes - go away for a week on summer hols and all hell is let lose in London. Looking at BBC News 24 not sure if it is safe to come back. Guess I wont be changing trains at East Croyden coming home from Gatwick!!

Anonymous said...

Lewisham council is Labour .

Anonymous said...

Did the libraries libraries in Lewisham, including the ones that had been open for 70 years (and had the books and staff to prove it) originate from a spend, spend, spend policy? Or was it caused by Tony Blair spending money fighting every war under the sun or Gordon Brown giving endless pay rises to heavily unionised public sector staff to hide the fact that he was deeply unpopular that caused it?

Mb said...

Much as I love BC, it's basically all cheese, bread and trains. Its never been a campaigning organ, although it does give a platform for people to promote almost anything they want. I suspect it's given more publicity to People Before Profit than it's own blog.

Anyway, the Catford Cat! If they touch the Babur tiger I'll be donning my sandals and having a word with the chaps.

Lou Baker said...

You really think these thugs are rioting because a handful of libraries have closed?

Most of these violent dimwits can't read. They've never been anywhere near a library.

Anonymous said...

The libraries should have been shut yars ago so that we could have had a decently armed paramilitary police to deal with this....

Anonymous said...

No - If it didn't show, I was being sarcastic about the libraries closing down. Although my son was upset because he couldn't go to the Tuesday morning story and sing along anymore.

kolp said...

The police haven't excelled themselves. Now we need kettling theres none of it to be seen.
Partly political, partly wanton violence, it's like anon in 3D.

Anonymous said...

Everyone can go down their individual explanatory 'paths'.. but inevitable they will all link to one topic.. money. It doesn't matter what closes, who is poor, who is rich, what resources we do and don't have.. the fact is that we live in a society that is governed, pretty much entirely, by the buck. This continues to be 'promoted' perpetually... you will be happy (???) if you win the lottery, become famous (and make money), are beautiful (and make money), are a successful business person (and make money)... and whilst money remains the focus... it will be the perpetual division between classes, social comparisons, legal fairness, medical assistance etc etc etc As we are apparently intellectually superior, but actually, intellectually inferior, to all other things on earth (which are not, of course, dictated to by the stock market), then we will inevitably find ourselves in the perpetual dilemma of selfishness and unhappiness. I step down from the soap box never to return... and I can hear the sighs of relief... from those who will immediately focus on the more materialistic aspects of life.. regardless of their class

Anonymous said...

Anon 22:45,
Well put, I agree.

kolp said...

In the absense of effective policing, Turkish men are defending their area in Kingsland Road (Dalston on the ELL) vigilante style.

Trixie said...

Any trouble this way and I'll be straight across to Meze Mangal to shelter in the shipping container and have them protect me with giant kebab skewers

kolp said...

Outlandish reports that London Zoo has been broken into and tighers are roaming in Primrose Hill.

And

East Dulwich Forum post: "I'm expecting an Ocado delivery, does anyone know if it can get down Rye Lane"

The Turkish Kurds: "They come to our shops and we fight them with sticks". Hackney. Big Society in action!

And police in Camden
http://twitpic.com/634c04

kolp said...

This a v. scary image woman jumping from burning building in Surrey St. Croydon.
http://lockerz.com/s/127864421

Staatsgewalt said...

Enough justifications from whiny liberals, here are some hard facts.

At 1930 today, I was driving towards Sainsbury's (to pick up my weekly ration of pine kernel nuts and truffle oil) along Burnt Ash Road from the A205.

The thieving scrotes had placed beer kegs from a pub across both lanes and blocked access. A plod car was blocked from advancing up Burnt Ash Road.

The scrotes were a standard issue mix of teenaged hoodies (male and female, black & white, perfectly integrated), running with weapons including a golf club, planks of wood, bricks and rods. They were laughing at plod.

I turned the car around and saw them attacking a stranded double decker bus with passengers and driver. One of the scrotes shouted "leave the bus, the driver's black". The other, replying "so what", proceeded to attack the front windscreen with a large brick.

Other gang members equipped themselves with debris from a nearby skip and proceeded to continue the attack on the bus, with passengers still trapped inside it.

I then called plod to inform them where this was happening and suggested they get re-inforcements to save the bus, driver and passengers.

The Met's so-called riot squads are a disgrace. They should be charging the rioters and causing serious and actual bodily harm to these oxygen thieves. Instead, we get a pathetic speech from a senior plod talking about 'addressing root causes', 'seeking maximum sentences in court', 'communities reclaiming the streets' and other Grauniad approved drivel.

What he should've said is this:
"Effective immediately, anyone seen looting or causing violence will be met with the full force of the riot squad. We will not stand idly by, like undertakers at an old people's home, waiting for casualties. We will take the fight to the rioters. There will be casualties."

People's lives, livelihoods and businesses have been ruined by bog-standard young rioters because plod stood idly by letting looting happen right in front of their eyes.

Anonymous said...

I came onto BC to try and find out what is happening this evening around Brockley. Whether safe to go out or not etc. What's all this posturing ? How about just exchanging the information we all need to stay safe right now instead of point scoring ?

Has anybody been to Tesco in Lewisham Way this evening ?

kolp said...

CAUTION: The picture of women jumping from burning building not from Croydon this evening.

kolp said...

It's unsurprising that no government representative available to speak on Newsnight. I suspect Theresa May for example would felt a lot of heat given this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/sep/15/theresa-may-cut-police-budget-without-violent-unrest

Anonymous said...

Anyone stop to think that perhaps the police are over stretched? Had anything like this ever happened? How do prioritise? Who do you apply Tne fuul force etc... Anyone standing around? Like you in your car? Or specifically someone looting? If they're not carrying a tv or brick you justbbeat the shitnout of them? What if the bus passengers were turfed out, how would arriving police know who to arrest? Sounds so easy from your sofa.

Anonymous said...

Woolwich is in ruins.. the local wetherspoons has been set alight!

Anonymous said...

The Scum rule our city tonight. Sleep well, if you can. If they can do this to shops, why not houses?

Anonymous said...

Stop looking at what everyone else is doing... the policing is about containment.. look at what you can do.. stay indoors, move obvious attractions out the way if possible.. stop spreading unsubstantiated rumours.. it is a 'politically correct' way of scaring the shit out of people

Anonymous said...

I thought they'd all be too busy playing in the skate parks of Ladywell Fields and Telegraph Hill to be rioting. Added to those facilities, there are plenty of green spaces and other decent playgrounds, sports pitches, athletics tracks, tennis courts in which to run off some of the frustration in.
Many white middle class people on here have been very vocal in their support for the provision of such wonderful facilities and yet they are still demonised by certain people on BC.
Now, before you hit back with "what these young people want is jobs not skate parks etc" ask yourself honestly if these people really are interested in securing gainful employment?
I am a local businessman myself and we cannot fill many of our positions with young local people as they cannot even be bothered to even apply for the jobs available.
It is sad but true-we have created a section of the community who are totally dependent on the State and it is worrying to think that their bad habits will be passed down to their children and their children's children.
I also notice that the so-called black community leaders are conspicuous by their absence and we have yet to hear them unreservedly condemn the violence and vandalism.
If there had been some perceived injustice to a black person, we would have seen them stood before the television cameras demanding justice.
I concede it is not only black people involved in the rioting-although they are disproportionally
represented-but I do think it's about time certain communities stopped screaming about racism and lack of opportunity and started taking responsibility for themselves and their actions.
It is only then that these people's lives will significantly change for the better.
Peace be with them.

kolp said...

Yep sorry about the Primrose Hill lions roaming story and that dodgy fire pic.

Don't be scared, Boris & Cameron are on their way back

Anonymous said...

It's nothing but gangs of school kids. They've got nothing better to do on the summer holiday, their parents don't care about their welfare and they're out and about acting 'tough'. It's bullshit, this has nothing to do with any demonstration against past Thursdays shooting, it's pure criminals.

Vicky said...

There has been rumours about Primark and Topshop in Bromley being looted and are on fire? Can you confirm this at all?

Anonymous said...

"The parents don't care" is the main problem. There are far more things for youth to do now than when I was young (we had more libraries but that was about it) - any bleating about "there is nothing for the youth to do" is pure bollocks as far as justifying their behaviour. It is all down to bad or absent parenting egged on by a culture that seems to tolerate it and a state that seems to condone and subsidize it.

Anonymous said...

I just found this site tonight - thanks to all who are giving useful and useable info - it has helped me. OK so I missed (small) gig this evening - couldn't get a bus. But at least I know why - more info on the BC than the BBC!

shocked said...

This is terrible.

As someone has tweeted this evening, now might be a good time to check those smoke alarms....

Welcome to the Olympic City - let's hope we're not seeing similar scenes a year from now.

Anonymous said...

Excellent footage from the front line of strife-torn Lewisham:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuJ0Mvleojs

Anonymous said...

Reports that police are not arresting but just containing the looters. What kind of police force stands by watching thieves at work?

LB said...

"I also notice that the so-called black community leaders are conspicuous by their absence and we have yet to hear them unreservedly condemn the violence and vandalism."

Try watching the news - I've seen plenty of black community leaders condemning the violence.

Anonymous said...

Unconfirmed reports Savacentre in Bell Green has been looted

MCF said...

It looks like we'll be needing the Riot Act. Police overstretched? Soldiers on the street in support of the civil power? That could get very nasty....

Anonymous said...

Criminals have spent the last few days watching on TV loads of people loot stores and get away with it. They are looting elsewhere now because they have seen first hand the police let it happen, in broad daylight. They know the police will do nothing so they have openly attacked high value stores. A desperate person is in need of food, not TVs and trainers.

Anonymous said...

I saw shops being looted on the Old Kent Road in front of my eyes this evening.

I also helped a bloke get away from the chaos who had had his lower lip ripped open.

People's livelihoods are being destroyed and there are posts here making light of it all. What is wrong with you?

Anonymous said...

@LB-I'm not talking about black MP's-they are self-serving opportunists most of them anyway.

Anonymous said...

@ Anonymous 23.54 - Sometimes laughter is the only way to deal with tragedy - J.M.Barrie

Anonymous said...

To whoever wrote 'Many white middle class people on here have been very vocal in their support for the provision of such wonderful facilities and yet they are still demonised by certain people on BC.
Now, before you hit back with "what these young people want is jobs not skate parks etc" ask yourself honestly if these people really are interested in securing gainful employment?' 1) stop making this a purely class war.. that is so painfully simply 2) what bloody jobs?! before you go condemning youth per se as being lazy anti jobbers... try walking in their shoes for a bit... if you are lucky ... you MIGHT get a job in McDonalds! The truth of the matter is that all jobs are thin on the ground, regardless of your age, 'class', education. Every facet of our society is being hit by economics...and it doesn't matter how much we gloss things, ALL individuals in want of employment are finding it difficult. The media do not help with their perpetual 'tar brushing' of every individual that doesn't sit within their 'good citizen' ideal

Anonymous said...

There doesn't seem to be anything at all going on in Catford from what I'm told (ie it's basically all over), and it's unlikely that there will be any more trouble in Catford, again based on what i've been told.

Would that be fair to say?

Golddawn said...

Picture of the car outside the Albany burning - clearer than the first one.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/baitedbadger/albany.jpg

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Crofty said...

Big big thanks to Nick - I was at work late and the updates on this site let me know what was going on and whether I'd be OK getting home. Much much appreciated, sterling work! Can report that services out of London Bridge running fine, and bobbies on patrol there keeping an eye on things.

Anonymous said...

I think we decent people need to make a stand against what I'm sorry are basically scumbags. I for one would be happy to go out and make my point. Why hide your faces etc? Because you are spineless scumbags. It is so sad that a minority are making one assume that the majority are all the same. No fault of the police, limited resources and this type of behaviour is totally unacceptable.

Anonymous said...

@ 00.02 - Stealing from JD Sports will not improve your job prospects. Looting Costcutter will not improve your job prospects. In fact what they are doing is harming local businesses and potentially further diminishing job opportunities. Don't get fooled by any polictical point scoring. If you were on the streets you'd see it's gangs of kids, most young enough to still be at school. There is no outrage at job opportunities here, it's blatant looting for looting sake. It's opportunism and nothing else.

Anonymous said...

Think it is one and the same car, not two different ones. Just varied angles.

Anonymous said...

Lots of looters scarpering through the Royal Arsenal with their loots from Woolwich. Thugs!!

Golddawn said...

Looted Jewelry boxes on Deptford high street. http://yfrog.com/h34meqjj

Anonymous said...

You've got to wonder who is in control when rampant looting across half of London can go unpunished.

Golddawn said...

Series of pictures of Deptford when the riots were at their peak: http://www.flickr.com/photos/doilum/sets/72157627389060010/

Golddawn said...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/doilum/6023351655/in/set-72157627389060010/

Golddawn said...

A Rioter outside Greggs gets arrested: http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g416/baitedbadger/greggs.jpg

Anonymous said...

95% of the 'rioters' I have seen so far look 18 years old or younger. Where is the parenting? How can so many kids get out of control?

Anonymous said...

I think it's funny the BBC is still calling this rioting, like it is some political unrest. It's looting, there's no politics involved at all, it's not like the students rioting against university fees.

Anonymous said...

@NSE Aside from your rather impressive rhetoric, which I imagine took quite some time what with having to decide 'what sounds best', you appear to hugely ill-informed. As a university lecturer I can spot someone who has read just a handful of sources to form their opinions.

Please refrain from debating with a child-like mindset, as you have done so far with regards to your especially stubborn discussion with Nick. Few people on this website care for what you have to say because, quite frankly, we have bigger issues at hand.

I do hope that sounded 'best'.

Anonymous said...

How can all of this happen because one know criminal gets killed by police for shooting at police? There's something not right here.

Leila Perry-Smith said...

Crofton park end of Brockley grove seems quiet....so far! Think all shops had same idea and closed early.

Anonymous said...

Why loot primark? could they not get into poundland?

Anonymous said...

the decent people far outnumber these looters, they organised themselves using the web, the police are outnumbered, why not do the same and take a stand?

Anonymous said...

All seems quiet where I am, haven't heard any sirens or helicopters. Only knew riots had taken place by watching the news and reading here, would never have known otherwise.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know what's happening in Catford?

BrockleyMAX'dre said...

Been following you throughout the day, escaped Lewisham literally minutes before hell broke loose around 5:15pm.

Saw the Looters on Old Kent Road circa 9:30pm and been following this thread all the way.

All subsided in SE13, SE6 from what I can gather and observe.

Thank U for updates throughout the evening.

I just hope it all gets better tomorrow...

08/08/11 - A Sad day to be a Londoner.

Martin said...

Trying to start a tidy up campaign would help if you could help spread the word. http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=158921277516509

Anonymous said...

It's very disappointing to see people get mixed up with the hyperbole. Let's breakdown how this all started.

On Thursday last week a man in Tottenham was shot and killed by police. The circumstances around this shooting are unclear.

The family of the victim wanted answers from police about why he was shot and killed, and the circumstances around the shooting. These answers were not forthcoming from the police for reasons unknown.

On Saturday a demonstration was held, organised by friends and family of the deceased, to march to the police station to demand answers of the police around the circumstances of the shooting. At some point a small minority from this group of demonstrators (or using the cover of the demonstration) then began rioting in Tottenham. Notice at no point in all these activities has anything happened because of a lack of job prospects or social inequality.

On Sunday, so called community leaders and political representatives were then interviewed by media about this incident and only then did terminology such as 'social inequality', 'disaffected youth', 'police brutality', 'community tensions', 'police racism' etc get mentioned, mentioned by the very people who are supposed to lead community and act as a calming influence. The media then spun this out and tried to tie the riots of the mid 80's to the riots of today and focused in on 'social deprevation' in Tottenham'. The rhetoric continued throughout the day, politicians got involved and started to try and score political points, community leaders saw it as an opportunity to get exposure and suddenly a demonstration by a victims family for answers as to that persons death became a reflection of todays social inequalities.

What? Has anyone interviewed the family of Mark Duggan to see if this was what they were demonstrating about? No, because it wasn't, but it doesn't matter now because it was the spark needed to ignite a political fire, and now the fire is burning. The media and God forbid our political leaders, the ones who we entrust to speak for us and uphold the moral law, have spun this out of all control and here we are, two nights later, with rampant looting across not only London but other cities. This is the power of todays media, abused by those in political office. This mindless, needless rhetoric spouted by community leaders, our shepards, has lead to the herding of the undeducated sheep, our youth, to conducting mindless violence.

Nobody in Lewisham had anything to do with what happened in Tottenham last week, but our politicians have abused the situation and opportunity to spread this isolated incident and criminality across London.

Anonymous said...

anyone up for starting a community force? like the turkish and kurds we should stick together. form some kind of community group that can defend brockley (at least around the train station maybe). just incase violence will continue tomorrow?

Molotov said...

Was in Dalston earlier and saw the Turkish shop owners heroically fight back the rioting youths. Bloody immigrants, coming over here and defending our communities.

Anonymous said...

Anon: 01:30: "The family of the victim wanted answers from police about why he was shot and killed, and the circumstances around the shooting. These answers were not forthcoming from the police for reasons unknown."

The reasons are perfectly well known: once someone is shot by the polce the Independent Police Complaints Commission are automatically called in. The Polce are no longer then allowed to comment. That is the law.

The whole PCCI process has been brought in because the public wanted a control system over the police and the ability for the police to be prosecuted for illegal killings. The result of that is the police shouldn't comment until the investigation is complete. Remember the whole fracas over the de Mendez shooting when the police did try to explain before all the facts had been ascertained? It is hardly surprising that they now stick by the rules and don't.

Anonymous said...

Cameron's Big Society is working well I see...

Anonymous said...

Loved reading http://hurryupharry.org/ re the Turks standing up to the Thugs love this.

I'm a Londoner live in Lee I've not stopped hearing the sirens all night.
Really hope these kids just go home, I feel bad for the police but we all know why there holding back there scared of the whole race card being raised.
No one black White purple should be allowed to get away with this behaviour these kids have no cause there not fighting for rights or justice they just want free shit.

These are not the London Riot police I know get out the tear gas innocent people are getting hurt it's not right

Anonymous said...

@RianneSupreme on twitter #TeamCleanUpLewisham meet 9 Lewisham Shopping Centre. #PrayForLondon #LondonRiots #riotcleanup SPREAD THE WORD!

Old Kent Road Bazzer said...

right. After 3am, and I'm off to bed. As far as I know, it's all quiet near me. I walked up to Asda/ B&Q etc on the Old Kent Road shortly after midnight, and all was well. The stores closed early, with B&Q actually boarded up at around 7.30pm.
Plenty of emergency service vehicles zooming eastwards towards New Cross/ Lewisham, but no hordes of hoodies round here. So far. Night night. I'm ashamed on the behalf of these fools. A sad day for London.

Anonymous said...

Possibly the Mayor could set up a fund for the public to contribute money, time, effort to clean up?

Anonymous said...

Any word from the looney Tutors and Students at Goldsmiths about seeking justice for the shop owners and those made homeless?

Anonymous said...

To Londonlady I suspect many of those involved aren't in the job market because of their tender age.

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